>> have you ever worked on a farm. >> ben gotschle joins us bold nebraska's energy director. ben, good to have you with us. i'd like you, if you could for our audience, describe the kind of representation you've had when you have shown your concerns about the keystone xl pipeline. >> well, it's run the range from inconsistent to downright combative. early on in the fight when it looked like the pipeline was a done deal and the president would approve it, we had senator johanns on our side standing up for the sandhills and the aquifer, and even our o opposition to the pipeline. but then once it looked like we were gaining momentum, it was just kind of a pile-on for the other side. the efforts were led by lee terry in a lot of case, proposing amendments and bills to rubber stamp approval of the pipeline. so it's been kind of a roller coaster ride for us with our leaders in washington. >> and why do you think the governor and senator johanns were against it before they were for it? >> i think that they were against it because they thought that it was going to be approved, and th